Creek Running North

You and Antiprincess just made me, as they say, LOL.

But I’m not touching that thread with (throbbing) ten-foot pole. Oy.

Antiprincess may have brought the optimism, but did she bring the Kant?

I think not.

Dr. FR: Everyone else brought the cant.

Chris: Please also nominate Brooklynite for the Cocksuckers! Represent! remark--that was pretty darn great.  I’m too tired to go back and look through and find the exact remark.  Oh and you for the virus blow job comment.  Hachoo!  But you know what?  My immune system is stronger for the whole episode.

Now I have to go watch Brazil trounce the pants off Australia.  I live in a neighborhood where I can tell if anyone has scored a goal in any game in the world cup because an incredible roar goes up into the air when it happens.

yrs, B. Dagger Lee

Good lord, this is freaky.  Chris, are your dates and times correct and you posted this yesterday afternoon?  Because I haven’t been back here in a couple of days, but, as you know, late last night (early this morning, actually), I put up a post on the blowjob shitstorm with an extremely similar title ("The only thing I’m going to say...") and then just quoted something YOU had sent me once in an email.

When I came here just now and saw this post, at first I thought it was a deliberate echo of mine...and then saw the time and date. 

Okay, obviously just a coincidence, great minds and all that, but...keerist.

These days, that bag of hammers is starting to sound pretty damn smart.

Regarding judging behavior from blog to blog:  I am interested in the generally agreed-upon ethics of this; what are they?

However, I am in the ethically dubious position of having made the choice to have different fictional constructs at different blogs, because of a possibly naive-at-first interest in genre and textual world-creating.  I tailored the construct to the site and thought, well, the words should stand by themselves.  At the time, it honestly didn’t occur to me that people create different comment names to troll and shit-stir, but now I wonder if I wasn’t unconsciously trying to escape the judgement that might accrue to a continuous character.

I created a loopy Christian commenter for General J.C. Christian’s blog, and then another comment name for another blog, and then another.  At some point, I created a mail-drop site to tie them all together because I started to realize there were ethical ramifications. I wonder if there aren’t a lot of people doing as I do?  I like to think I wouldn’t be ashamed of anything I say under any of my names, and that if they were all tied to my real name I still wouldn’t be.  Majikthise has an interesting discussion pertaining to this.  I guess I thought of my comment names as pen names in different genres.

Did you ever see the movie “A Thousand Clowns”?

--BDL

Speaking as a gay man, I’m pleased to see women banding together to renounce giving blowjobs to men.  This will leave gay men in complete control of the blowjob supply, and with that monopoly we can dictate our terms.

Straight men have long been parasites on the, if you will, blowjob economy, since they consume blowjobs but produce none (unlike gay men who, in aggregate, produce more than they consume). I can see some changes to make right now:

—Any man who uses ‘cocksucker’ as a derisive term, or uses ‘suck my dick’ to mean “go to hell,” will be under a blowjob embargo for six months for a first offense, penalties to double for every subsequent offense.

—From now on they have to kiss us afterwards.  Failure to do so will be treated to the same embargo penalties mentioned above.

(Whoa, blockquote works funny on here.) I’m sure I’ll think of more.

Bwahahah.

Oh I’m enjoying this everso....

<lol> And to Ron: sandpaper style. You bet sister. During the marches, during the pickets, during the standoffs on city streets to the legislature, on blocked roads encroaching on native land...I learned I was small but mighty. The cops backed off in a way they did not for the men, when I stood up to them and said;

“Your rights end at the tip of my nose”.

Got that?

Pony!  Fancy seeing you here!  I love ponies!  You rough Pony, Pony, Pony!

I used to live with and be best friends with a dog who acted as if horses were gods.  He whined and begged and trembled before them; I was always very impressed by his opinions and have always remembered them with great respect.  I miss him, and dream of him often.

So Pony, you are home from the wars?  Although clearly not out to pasture.

Xopher, please do think of more.  This is capitalism at its finest.

B. Dagger Lee

B. Dagger Lee:

...whine and beg and tremble before me. YES!

<lol>

In junior high (where much questionable behaviour has its origins, don’t you think?) I didn’t take part.

And there is one other thing I never do. Take someone else’s name in vain.

Why? Because there’s no ethics in it. None whatsoever. And them that rattle cages in the name of ethics WHILE THEY DO THIS...have none.

Pony The Slut

xopher:  I’m not gay, so perhaps all I’m doing is advertising my ignorance, but I am really stumped by your statement that gay men produce more blowjobs than they consume.

Maybe “stumped” wasn’t the best choice of word, there.  Ha.

Ahhhh Chris context is all. Do let’s have your and my exchange linked here. You know the one where you killed a mosquito with nuclear fire. 

And while you’re at it, post the comment from the man who called me insane and an asshole when I vociferously spoke out against medical science ignoring environmental carcinogens which cause gynecological cancers (including the one I’m dealing with). He was a scientist he told me. Therefore he knows and I don’t. What’s your take Chris? Do environmental toxins maybe cause cancers?

I told him to put up (his evidence) or shut up. He’s still posting there. A misgynistic egotistical man of science using his ego to throw down a woman who suffers from the disease that pays his mortgage.

Plus ca change plus ca meme chose

Context is everything Chris.

So is ethics.

Charles: the rest of my post should make it clear...but just to clarify, the person whose mouth is in use is “producing” the blowjob.  The guy whose dick is being sucked is “consuming” it. 

When a gay man sucks off another gay man, the aggregate production-consumption effect is nil.  But (and you may perhaps have been unaware of this) some gay men also provide fellatio to a certain class of “straight” men, who seldom to never reciprocate. Their self-image will stand up to “consuming” but not to “producing.”

I’m confused.  I thought I submitted a corker of a poem in blank verse to comments, Pony responded fairly well to it and then ran off.  Then the poem and response disappeared?  Then Pony came back to rear and kick?  My head is spinning, but I should probably stop multi-tasking and multi-personality-disordering myself.

The sad thing about all this is it started over someone not only misunderstanding my rather post, but ascribing meaning to it that not only wasn’t there, but that I didn’t know could even be imbued in the word “pass”; then behaving in a completely unethical way toward a sister, defaming me and slandering me, in a kangaroo court, while claiming to stand on high moral ground.

What hypocrisy.

No idea Bdagger Lee. I thought your poem charming and wonderful. And my response, of course, not in the same league at all.

Roar and kick I will, but this may be removed too (by our righteous host) who takes my name in vain while we speak.

And all over something I didn’t say.

Pony, I was only intending to talk about the mechanics and poltics of banning in general, not to take a position on your ban in particular. In fact, if you look at my last post over there, you’ll see that I said I thought your ban at feministe was over a misunderstanding.

And no, I won’t be removing your comments: why should I? Looks like I hurt your feelings without meaning to, in discussing what is obviously a difficult and contentious topic.

All I was trying to do was refer to facts. You have a combative style at times. That is NOT a criticism: I have a combative style at times. And a combative style will get a person banned from some places, right or wrong. I’ve been banned from a couple places, and people are free to take that into account in allowing me access to their blogs. You were banned from bitchphd, and even if you were 100 percent right and that banning utterly unjustified, other blog owners have the prerogative to take that into account, do they so rightly or wrongly.

I’m really not trying to criticise or slam you here, but rather to describe interpersonal dynamics in an attempt at an objective fashion. If you think I’ve gotten something wrong, please tell me.  And I’m sorry if I hurt your feelings.

No, Pony!  You misread!  There are nuances, and you, ole Pony, get too angry too fast! Chris was not taking your name in vain.  He actually defended you whilst also explaining/defending the host trio’s right to ask you to leave the party.  There’s no kangaroo court, only unhappy hostesses who don’t want the china broke!  And felt tired of the contretemps and perhaps bad-tempered about it and ready to go to bed.  That’s their right.  Also they are charmingly, laudably protective of one of their young own; so they are quick to anger over it, hmm, their actions sound like the work of little ponies.

Quit kicking!  Has music and poetry no charm to soothe the savage breast?  Well, I must now confess, I suppose it’s for the best, I am dharmadyke too; if you unpack the poem, you see I beg your pardon.  It’s I, not he, who took your name in vain.

Chris, there are a couple of posts that I got in my email ("someone has replied to your comment") that don’t appear in the comment thread.  Not sure what happened there, but it may be part of what Pony’s referring to.

I’ll post it again! 

Nay, Pony!  Thou needst retire one of thy cruel epithets;
Even if self-wrought and self-applied!  I speak of Slut!
The word charms me not; not for you nor I nor any sister
--no matter she be not loved, shame her not.

While seeking to do good, I myself take names in vain,
Yours, perhaps. I beg you believe I’ve done no harm;
Oftimes we rattle cages as we seek to slip their bounds.
It’s only looking back we see ethics too fell between the bars.

Thus I beg your pardon, and beg you also retire the churlish word.
As horses prance betwixt nipping dogs; so do the gods give us farce.
--Tis a dog and pony show.  No more, nor less.
I pray thee, retire certain words.  Grant this dog’s wish.

I am still, yr. B. Dagger Lee

I believe the term ‘slut’ has now been supplanted by the more politically correct term ‘sexually generous person’.

Well, now I am laughing. 

So the first post of my poem and Pony’s response ended up in Xopher’s mailbox?  How does that get explained?  I couldn’t have designed a better intricate plot for farce.

Well Xopher, what are you wearing?  I hope there are bells and pointy shoes involved.  And how does one pronounce your name?

I expect Pony will be back any minute now, to kick me.  Alas, there’s always a comeuppance in farce when one conceals one’s identity.  But then there’s forgiveness and peace, right after.  And really, if I say so myself, that’s a pretty okay poem that shot right out.

Alas, I’m at work.  No bells; no pointy shoes.

The X is pronounced like a Z, and it rhymes with ‘gopher’.  I realize saying that to a poet is foolish in the extreme, but there you have it.

I have no quarrel with with our host. Did I not say I love you? Can I separate myself from my need for beauty in language and all wherein I find it.